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Western re-entry practice

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Re: Western re-entry practice

Postby vicyak » 08 Feb 2018, 08:58

Nathan will plan for March either Altona or Campbells. Rocks and more boat traffic at Altona so might do campbells, Like to get a fishable day as well so day when it goes from light northerlies to decent southerlies would be ideal.
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Re: Western re-entry practice

Postby laneends » 08 Feb 2018, 09:00

A paddle can correct faster than a rudder when used aggressively, add to which in surf a rudder has intermittent reliability. It can even work against the paddle as it reduces the ability to spin on the spot.

Effectively sitting on your hands is totally unnatural too. As cheater says though it takes practice to instinctively control a kayak by a paddle without a rudder. It is also one of the fun skills that makes paddling enjoyable. Anyone who does have a rudder i would encourage you to spend some time learning how to be more skilled without one. Sit on tops dont have the same "edging" ability of sit ins as they are flatter in profile
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Re: Western re-entry practice

Postby Reeling » 08 Feb 2018, 09:49

vicyak wrote:Nathan will plan for March either Altona or Campbells. Rocks and more boat traffic at Altona so might do campbells, Like to get a fishable day as well so day when it goes from light northerlies to decent southerlies would be ideal.


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Re: Western re-entry practice

Postby peatop » 09 Feb 2018, 06:26

Thanks Stephen, my yak is more like a P.A than a revo so not sure that the low brace would work, however it does look like a fun turn. Like the big kid i am, anything that looks fun i would like to try, my main focus for kayaking is fishing, the fact that i use the paddle for beaching is just a learnt thing from my days on school camp lol, as far as kayaking goes im a novice almost 5 months experience.
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Re: Western re-entry practice

Postby chrisw » 09 Feb 2018, 21:06

peatop wrote:Does the drift chute help to keep the yak straight (as this is what i imagine )?

I find it helps a fair bit with the PA. I always use it when coming in at Campbell's Cove and you can feel it braking the yak when a wave comes in from behind. Since it's pulling on the rear it tends to pull the yak straight at the same time as the wave would otherwise want to push you forward and potentially sideways.
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Re: Western re-entry practice

Postby peatop » 10 Feb 2018, 08:03

chrisw wrote:
peatop wrote:Does the drift chute help to keep the yak straight (as this is what i imagine )?

I find it helps a fair bit with the PA. I always use it when coming in at Campbell's Cove and you can feel it braking the yak when a wave comes in from behind. Since it's pulling on the rear it tends to pull the yak straight at the same time as the wave would otherwise want to push you forward and potentially sideways.

Im leaning towards a PA14 for my next yak and can see that a drift chute would be very useful in the return to shore on beach landing, i was looking at getting one for a maintained drift fish, however i haven't done anything about it as yet lol
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Re: Western re-entry practice

Postby spider25160 » 10 Feb 2018, 22:41

peatop wrote:Does the drift chute help to keep the yak straight (as this is what i imagine )? However could it also cause unwanted issues?
When i come in to beach i always pull my rudder up well before and use my paddle to steer as it gives me way more control over that of the rudder. Mind you my lack of experience doesn't help any, but so far i haven't flipped unintentionally ;) touch wood.

Yes the drogue helps keep the yak straight in a following sea and specially coming in through a shore break as for unwanted issues the obvious one is speed and I guess waves rolling up and over your after deck both of which are not a real problem. I also usually raise my rudder, skeg and remove my pedal drive for the last few yards to the beach and use my paddle but in nasty conditions with the drogue I can do that and let the break take me to the beach without paddling and still stay upright.
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Re: Western re-entry practice

Postby laneends » 11 Feb 2018, 09:42

Using a drogue is a recognised sail boat method in following storm seas. Though drogues specifically for this purpose are often a long series of smaller chutes. using the drift chute is a way of repurposing your drift chute for the same principle. In biggish surf it could probably put some substantial strain on cleating points/trolley. If you have tried hanging onto the back of a kayak after being dumped in the surf you will know what i mean. probably a smaller chute on a longer rope would be best for this purpose,
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Re: Western re-entry practice

Postby shane » 11 Feb 2018, 15:17

laneends wrote: In biggish surf it could probably put some substantial strain on cleating points/trolley. If you have tried hanging onto the back of a kayak after being dumped in the surf you will know what i mean. probably a smaller chute on a longer rope would be best for this purpose,


Single drift chutes only work in smaller surf. When the surf gets bigger the chute will often end up in the wrong spot in the wave cycle, causing it to be limp and deflated while the kayak is getting dumped. This is why a daisy chain of smaller chutes works better as at least some of them will be providing resistance at all times. Also you don't want a big chute on stiff rope in bigger surf as the forces can be quite large. In big surf i always find it easier to jump off and surf it in holding on the back and letting your body drag.
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Re: Western re-entry practice

Postby Seasherpa » 17 Feb 2018, 16:54

It was a nice little onshore at Apex this arvo. I had to paddle out deep enough to test a faulty sounder and it was good fun playing around in the following sea. Would have been good conditions for the reentry session.
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