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Re: A stranger in the night

PostPosted: 08 Jan 2019, 12:41
by Reeling
The only issues I've had with lines getting caught on anything so far has been the rudder when I have two lines out the back and stop - pretty much the same issue I would have with the revo. I'll be putting some fixed fins to alleviate this issue which Stealth sell.

I would have thought you'd have more of an issue with lines catching on your mirage fins if you are catch lines on anything.

Anyways, we'll see how version two goes...It's certainly less bulky than version 1 and a trip to weedy WP should put it to the test

Re: A stranger in the night

PostPosted: 08 Jan 2019, 13:05
by Seasherpa
peatop wrote:My brother is the fiberglass guy, im the steel guy, but i know how anoying the trolly shafts are when i put the wheels in the rear handle, everything finds the shafts and wraps around them, frustrating to say the least, i cant imagine i would like your transducer setup for this same reason, so i would have to find a way to go through hull and most likely via a modification to produce a scupper style setup to allow the cable access to come through as well.

The addition of down and side scan has created issues with kayaks, i myself would like it on my next sounder and berkely make an adapter to fit the hobies without the new system, from what I've seen of the mounts the bottom of the transducer must need clear access to the surrounding environment to work, at the moment the transducer is covered, however im yet to investigate it fully.


The beam travels out of the transducer on roughly a 170 degree arc which is why almost the whole transducer has to be clear of the bottom of the hull of the kayak. It works like when you put a regular tranny in-hull you need no air gaps to interrupt the signal only now you need no air gap on the bottom or the sides of that makes sense?

Re: A stranger in the night

PostPosted: 08 Jan 2019, 13:50
by peatop
Seasherpa wrote:
peatop wrote:My brother is the fiberglass guy, im the steel guy, but i know how anoying the trolly shafts are when i put the wheels in the rear handle, everything finds the shafts and wraps around them, frustrating to say the least, i cant imagine i would like your transducer setup for this same reason, so i would have to find a way to go through hull and most likely via a modification to produce a scupper style setup to allow the cable access to come through as well.

The addition of down and side scan has created issues with kayaks, i myself would like it on my next sounder and berkely make an adapter to fit the hobies without the new system, from what I've seen of the mounts the bottom of the transducer must need clear access to the surrounding environment to work, at the moment the transducer is covered, however im yet to investigate it fully.


The beam travels out of the transducer on roughly a 170 degree arc which is why almost the whole transducer has to be clear of the bottom of the hull of the kayak. It works like when you put a regular tranny in-hull you need no air gaps to interrupt the signal only now you need no air gap on the bottom or the sides of that makes sense?

Yeah thanks for that information Eoin, that's the picture i was getting from both the new hobie mount and the berkely adapter, however I didn't know the exact range required, at 170° the transducer will either need to protrude the bottom or a 170° opening (scupper ready) to allow a non interrupted beam, the setup in the new Hobies is the scupper ready transducer mount is retractable, so when you've launched you drop it down, i can imagine that i will look into the berkely mount or look at making my own retractable system.

I hear your into working with fiberglass, so do you think it would be easy enough to make a mould to mount a through hull transducer mount with the cable coming through the hull?

Re: A stranger in the night

PostPosted: 08 Jan 2019, 14:04
by Seasherpa
peatop wrote:
Seasherpa wrote:
peatop wrote:My brother is the fiberglass guy, im the steel guy, but i know how anoying the trolly shafts are when i put the wheels in the rear handle, everything finds the shafts and wraps around them, frustrating to say the least, i cant imagine i would like your transducer setup for this same reason, so i would have to find a way to go through hull and most likely via a modification to produce a scupper style setup to allow the cable access to come through as well.

The addition of down and side scan has created issues with kayaks, i myself would like it on my next sounder and berkely make an adapter to fit the hobies without the new system, from what I've seen of the mounts the bottom of the transducer must need clear access to the surrounding environment to work, at the moment the transducer is covered, however im yet to investigate it fully.


The beam travels out of the transducer on roughly a 170 degree arc which is why almost the whole transducer has to be clear of the bottom of the hull of the kayak. It works like when you put a regular tranny in-hull you need no air gaps to interrupt the signal only now you need no air gap on the bottom or the sides of that makes sense?

Yeah thanks for that information Eoin, that's the picture i was getting from both the new hobie mount and the berkely adapter, however I didn't know the exact range required, at 170° the transducer will either need to protrude the bottom or a 170° opening (scupper ready) to allow a non interrupted beam, the setup in the new Hobies is the scupper ready transducer mount is retractable, so when you've launched you drop it down, i can imagine that i will look into the berkely mount or look at making my own retractable system.

I hear your into working with fiberglass, so do you think it would be easy enough to make a mould to mount a through hull transducer mount with the cable coming through the hull?


Certainly can be done and may or may not already be a work in progress :evilgrin: the Hobie Guardian has the right idea but wrong execution imho as it assumes the obstruction to require the retraction will come front-on which isn't necessarily the case- kayak broaching to the beach, pulling a kayak off a trailer or in the states a bed extender for example.

Re: A stranger in the night

PostPosted: 08 Jan 2019, 15:16
by laneends
Reeling wrote:
I would have thought you'd have more of an issue with lines catching on your mirage fins if you are catch lines on anything.



Yep lines on mirage can be an issue, however as the drive is closer it is easier to avoid. If it happens you can easily pull the drive. Wrapping lines around rudder (and bow handles) is a real pain on any kayak, especially a long one.

The question I have with stealths is wrapping anchor lines around rudder, does it happen (I know trent did it) and how do you free it? You cant just make do by cutting it like you would a fishing line. I know it sometimes catches on the mini skegs I added to the revo, but a bit of jiggling frees it.

Re: A stranger in the night

PostPosted: 08 Jan 2019, 15:33
by Seasherpa
laneends wrote:
The question I have with stealths is wrapping anchor lines around rudder, does it happen (I know trent did it) and how do you free it? You cant just make do by cutting it like you would a fishing line. I know it sometimes catches on the mini skegs I added to the revo, but a bit of jiggling frees it.


You can catch an anchor line, usually while you are setting anchor if you lay out too much line for the drift and the ski passes over it. You can sometimes be lucky and free it by side to siding the rudder using the pedals but if its really in there you'll either have to do the cowboy scramble, swim or call over Cheater to undo it.
Other options are installing cable ties either side of the rudder blade or putting on a line protector as Nath mentioned.

Re: A stranger in the night

PostPosted: 08 Jan 2019, 15:34
by cheaterparts
laneends wrote: ---- stealths is wrapping anchor lines around rudder, does it happen (I know trent did it) and how do you free it?


ask Leejo he is the expert in anchor ropes and or fishing lines around his rudder - and how do you free it hav a mate with very wet sleeves a lot of the time

Re: A stranger in the night

PostPosted: 08 Jan 2019, 17:42
by peatop
Lol so if i was to get a stealth? I would have to ask cheater to come fishing?

Yeah Nath, the drive does sometimes grab at your lines, when i first got my PA being new to the drive i got line caught a few times, but as Keith said you just lift the drive out, I've since become accustomed to pushing one pedal forward if line is going under near the drive, now very seldom do i get line in drive issues, Ian, Shane and myself were talking about the rudder on Ians stealth and Shane suggested the cable tie :up:

To me this is a very good subject for discussion, What can snag your line on a kayak. Im not a fan of the H rail being forward of the seat on the PA all the attachments are snag points, not to mention the massive price increase to attach anything to them :o dont get me wrong i love the PA and the H rail but i think it wasn't necessary to extend it past the seat, a couple of star ports each side and some track would have been much better imho. I have been giving some thought about making the H rail shorter but that will have to wait for now.

Re: A stranger in the night

PostPosted: 08 Jan 2019, 21:20
by leap
cheaterparts wrote:
laneends wrote: ---- stealths is wrapping anchor lines around rudder, does it happen (I know trent did it) and how do you free it?


ask Leejo he is the expert in anchor ropes and or fishing lines around his rudder - and how do you free it hav a mate with very wet sleeves a lot of the time



:lol: I admit its happened a couple of times, however, I can summarise it as follows.
1) keep an eye out for the water flow when you decide to stop for a chat while you are trolling a couple of lures
2) dont go crazy with rods as cheater does (I have now stopped doing it). A little bit of Insider news, he carries more stuff in his kayak than my wife carries in her bag. Both end up not finding what they want :lol:
If you dont believe me try lifting his kayak, its heavier than a PA.
3) there is not much you can do when you have 3 rods and end up hooking up gummies and stingrays at the same time. :?

Re: A stranger in the night

PostPosted: 08 Jan 2019, 21:58
by peatop
leap wrote:
cheaterparts wrote:
laneends wrote: ---- stealths is wrapping anchor lines around rudder, does it happen (I know trent did it) and how do you free it?


ask Leejo he is the expert in anchor ropes and or fishing lines around his rudder - and how do you free it hav a mate with very wet sleeves a lot of the time



:lol: I admit its happened a couple of times, however, I can summarise it as follows.
1) keep an eye out for the water flow when you decide to stop for a chat while you are trolling a couple of lures
2) dont go crazy with rods as cheater does (I have now stopped doing it). A little bit of Insider news, he carries more stuff in his kayak than my wife carries in her bag. Both end up not finding what they want :lol:
If you dont believe me try lifting his kayak, its heavier than a PA.
3) there is not much you can do when you have 3 rods and end up hooking up gummies and stingrays at the same time. :?
lol, i think i carry all what cheater does and both your wives bags, but now I've worked out what i use and have some spare room i will do a stock take and give back the bags ;)